tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post175251519341471173..comments2024-03-28T20:17:14.462-04:00Comments on "Hero Envy" The Blog Adventures: CAPTAIN AMERICA VS WOLVERINEJohn Ciminohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10737574058335177140noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-72837405720753539552017-08-23T06:13:48.152-04:002017-08-23T06:13:48.152-04:00I'm no comic book expert. But if it's Hugh...I'm no comic book expert. But if it's Hugh Jackman's wolverine vs MCU Cap, I'll put my money on Cap any day. Cinematic universe wolverine, whilst nearly indestructible, has a major flaw. He often charges with little to no strategy. Being more skillful fighter, Cap could easily use wolverine's claws against himself, as shown in one of the comic booksRossonerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402716054566106411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-52561589194918089502016-10-24T11:09:13.087-04:002016-10-24T11:09:13.087-04:00People forget Cap's shield is good offensively...People forget Cap's shield is good offensively and defensively. But Wolverines claws are only good offensively. And snce Cap can use it offensively and defensively at the same time while also being able to throw it at Logan. Cap takes this. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11412522849206904172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-54866901072487514162016-10-14T21:23:38.726-04:002016-10-14T21:23:38.726-04:00I dug this...but the WWII beating (besides Wolveri...I dug this...but the WWII beating (besides Wolverine not really fighting back) would be at a time Logan didn't have Adamantium on his bones. Considering Logan will heal the difference between hitting a 195 pound man and a 300 pound one with metal lacing his bones is big. Good stuff still.Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07824458171389497321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-28079864771650140882016-02-02T00:02:40.581-05:002016-02-02T00:02:40.581-05:00Captain America is a better combatant than Wolveri...Captain America is a better combatant than Wolverine & he's 10x stronger, (Super Soldier serum) Wolverin tecnically lost to the Silver Samuri & an old man with a wooden sward in his own comic!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120780506668391187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-48715053724651802462015-12-03T14:26:24.601-05:002015-12-03T14:26:24.601-05:00Wolverine hands down.Wolverine hands down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-49384671558868719262015-09-04T07:00:00.819-04:002015-09-04T07:00:00.819-04:00Very informative information. I'm so glad I fo...Very informative information. I'm so glad I found this. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-13792971491731128562015-06-06T08:14:05.758-04:002015-06-06T08:14:05.758-04:00Tl;dr, despite your ignorance, Wolverine is superh...Tl;dr, despite your ignorance, Wolverine is superhuman, so by your logic Cap is nothing to Wolverine and doesn't even come close to him in anything, and ergo, will get stomped by Wolvie evwry time, which is far fron truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-34333784069396474472015-06-06T08:11:46.234-04:002015-06-06T08:11:46.234-04:00And even if his physical stats other than durabili...And even if his physical stats other than durability were only "excellent but hardly human perfection like Cap", his durabilty will still allow him to hang in the fight and then stab out or punch out Cap, since out of everything his durability and healing have been most consistent, and Logan needs just few stabs, which he is fast enough to get in, with enough blows even one of human strength can and have KOd Cap, something Wolverine is more than capable of accomplishing. And even if as you said " it's his mutant healing and skeleton/claws that make him tough", you should know that they are all Wolverine needs to drop Cap. (don't you dare say that isn't possible, I can provide 7 or 8 instances of Cap being one-shotted by normal humans, 6 of them fodder)<br><br />"""""""" Cap would have to go for a Coup de grâce as soon as possible in fight since a single blow from Wolverine could be fatal and the bastard wont die."""""<br><br />And that coup de grace is? Other than bringing in others for help or using extremely powerful weaponry, without plot to help him there is nothing Cap can do to put Wolverine down. For example, pressure points? Logan's healing factor prevents such attacks from working, not to mention he knows them himself and is skilled and fast enough to block those. Use environment against him, Logan is too fast, too strong, too much damage soak and superhuman senses to fall for that? Overload his senses? Tried and failed several times. Not to mentipn Wolverine has some deadly and even alien gear with himself and has also beaten ebemies with planning, traps and prep.<br><br />""""""I'd still pick Cap for 7 wins out of 10, mainly due to better tactics"""""<br><br />And you are saying he can win against Cap just 3/10? Tactics can get you so much, you have enough power to bring them to fruition too, which Cap doesn't pack enough here.<br><br />For the reasons stated above, despite whatever tactics Cap tries to employ, barring oytside interference, I pick Wolverine to win 8 or 9 times out of 10. Well 9 times is a bit too much, but still.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-60298889060513895982015-06-06T08:10:21.235-04:002015-06-06T08:10:21.235-04:00His bone claws can cut through concrete like a hot...His bone claws can cut through concrete like a hot knife through butter, cut through kevlar and thick steel as if it were paper, cut through bulletproof superhumans, drop Ms. Marvel with one swipe, etc.<br><br />Now put adamantium in them and they can cut through pretty much anything in the MU.<br><br />With the metal skeleton and claws, Logan has cut a tree in half with one swipe, sliced off a Sentinel's arms with one swing, sliced off the bulletproof Lizard's large tail in one swing, carved up Omega Red armor, which is made if secondary adamantium, cut through Iron Man's armor, cut Thor right through his Asgardian armor, cut away the Juggernaut's armor, carved up World War Hulk, Hercules, Rulk and Shrulk, stabbed right through The Thing, Namor, Gladiator Kallark and even Infinity Gauntlet Thanos (the last one is way too high, it was just to give an idea how much damage Wolverine's claws can do). The damage output of Logan's claws far outshines the damage output of anything Cap brings to the table. Logan has shown himself to be more than capable of getting around the shield, which will be Cap's end.<br><br />Not to mention Logan has shown ridiculous accuracy as well. He has stabbed the exact center of a coin using his middle claw, thrown two darts at the same time into the exact centre of a dart board with his back turned to it, use a knife to stab a fly sitting on his hand without getting cut himself, taking out the tail rotors of a helicopter bg throwing a wrech, taking out a plane's engine by throwing a snall sword, tagging a speedster with gunshots, and tagging speed demon with thrown blades.<br><br />For his strength, look in the herochat link aboveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-66140381278895961652015-06-06T08:09:00.348-04:002015-06-06T08:09:00.348-04:00He has trained in several martial arts like Krav M...He has trained in several martial arts like Krav Maga, Budo, judo, the Japanese art of war Sun Tzu, Aijutsu, Ninjutsu, and Aikido . He knows 18 forms of Kung Fu, exotic and forgotten israeli martial arts very few know, even alien martil arts of the Kree and of the Shiar. He's been so well trained in kenjutsu and samurai sword fighting so well that he can fight blinfolded against other samurai in sword fights, and match the Silver Samurai and Elektra in blade fighting, who are renowned blade fighters in MU.<br><br />The mystical martial artist called Murderous Lion was curbstomped by Logan while having several of his skills temporarily being midwiped out. He has bested Bucky, a highly skilled fighter with a superhumanly strong bionic arm while having his hands tied, using just his legs. Logan curbstomped the mystic martial artists Black Dragon Squad, despite their ability to kill even him with one hit since their hits can cause deadly damage to one's soul as well as mind along with fatal physical inuries. On another never occasipn he faced another group mystical martial artists with one-hit-kill techniques and won without fighting back, i.e., he never got hit and they tired themselves out. He's been trained to see weak points in his opponents.<br><br />He has trained under top-tier skilled martial artists like Shang Chi, Ogun, Master Po, Silver Samurai, not mentioning his military, CIA and Special Ops training.<br><br />He has trained Kitty Pryde and Storm and they have becone quite skilled fighters thenselves.<br><br />He has easily bested Daredevil with his wrestling skills, owned a powerless Creel wuth one move while having no powers himself, and Creel was a professional boxer and a contender for national heavyweight championship and has bested Iron Fist in a sparring match.<br><br />Prof X was shocked to see that Wolverine was fighting simultaneously in the physical and mental plane at the same time, at which Wolverine replied he does not need to think to fightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-83876778201571632812015-06-06T08:07:50.896-04:002015-06-06T08:07:50.896-04:00Even without his healing, he has been able to take...Even without his healing, he has been able to take several blows from peak humans and still fight, survive a lightning charged speed blitz from Thor, headbutt the bulletproof and grenade proof Nuke into submission (doubles as a strength feat), fight for some time despite having molten metal over him, take hits from the super strong Lady Deathstrike, take few hits from Superior Venom etc. As you can see he is quite durable and has a ridiculous pain tolerance even not considering his healing.<br><br />Silver Samurai tried to take Logan's head off and failed. A robot once tried to cut off Logan's head and only cracked its 9 foot long 1 foot wide blade on Logan's adamantium spine. He was also barely damaged by swing from Skaar using his sword, which cuts through tanks like paper and is much stronger than steel or titanium. Bullets bounce off his adamantium skull and he doesn't notice. All his ligaments and tendons except the tendons in his wrist have been molecularly bonded with adamantium, so he can't he ripped apart either, which the 15 tonner Baal tried to and failed.<br><br />He has healed back from Nitro incinerating him to a skeleton, ditto for Dark Phoenix Cyclops. He has healed back from being in the vicinity of the Hiroshima nuke explosion. He has healed back from being on the surface od the sun and climbed out of a molten metal vat while still being a skeleton. He has heart ripped out of his chest, and even exploded in his chest and was still conscious. He had been stabbed in the heart by Deadpool, stabbed by the Juggernaut with a huge wooden pike, stabbed by X-23 in the heart and thrown dirt in the wound so that it does not heal, stabbed through the liver, and still kept fighting. He has been able to fight despite being slashed by the superstrong Gorgon with the godkilling Grasscutter sword. Had his throat cut through and still kept fighting.<br><br />He has been riddled with bullets and energy blasts and not slowed down a bit.<br><br />As for taking punches, Spider Man has unloaded on him and Wolverine has kept fighting on barely damaged several times. A pissed off Peter even threw him through the Avengers Tower's suppposedly unbreakable window onto the pavement several floors below and he was up like nothing happened. Scarlet Spider even said Wolverine kept coming back despite whatever he hit him with. Taken punches from the 15 tonner Baal. Taken hits from Namor which caused his internal organs to liquify and was still conscious and fighting. Hit several times by Hulkbuster Iron Man and shrugged it off. Stayed conscious after several hits from Skaar. Punched across several states by the Inhuman Gorgon and by the Hulk and shrugged it off. Tossed across Georgia by Rulk and shrugged it off. Hit by the Thing across a city block and shruggrd it off. Fell from orbit and shrugged it off. Shrugged of lightning bolts from Storm, Ragnarok (along with several kicks from him), a clone of Thor, and even a lightning bolt from Thor. Blasted by Iron Man and Firelord and shrugged it off.<br><br />While having his healing factor weakened due injury and poisoning, the latter which also left him unable to fight back properly, he was struck by several lethal presure point strikes (one of those strikes with a finger would kill a human) using a wooden sword before popping his claws to degend himself. He has shrugged off pressure point attacks from Echo, who has learned them from Daredevil. Speaking of DD, the famous scene where he hits Logan in the throat, Logan was not dropped, he was groaning in pain, which is WIS since Logan has incredible pain tolerance, having once beaten an enemy with a healing factor by setting both of them on fire. The writer Ennis even admitted to intentionally embarassing Wolvie and IIRC Marvel even released an apology for that storyline. His healing factor has shown to be able to adapt itself to threats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-14394191908599342672015-06-06T08:03:17.270-04:002015-06-06T08:03:17.270-04:00"""""Wolverine is a norma..."""""Wolverine is a normal dude with great skills, but it's his mutant healing and skeleton/claws that make him tough. His physical attributes are excellent, but hardly "human perfection" like Cap"""""<br><br />Actually, Wolverine's body is beyond human perfection. And normal dude, seriously? You are simply going off the movies and even then Jackman's Wolverine was nothing normal, but that's not who we are discussing about here. Its comic Wolverine. Who is nothing like a normal guy. Someone who is so far off from a normal guy in every aspects. Lets go over the rudimentary and small potatoes first.<br><br />Wolverine has been around for more than a century and half, so he has accumulated quite a lot of knowledge and experience, far beyond an ordinary guy ever can.<br><br />For starters, Logan knows several international languages other than English like Spanish, German, Russian, Japanese, Mandarin, French, Cantonese, Portugese, Vietnamese, etc. Not something your average joe is capable of.<br><br />He's participated in both World Wars, Civil War, Vietnam War and pretty much every war between those and has been in several espionage, special ops and superhuman teams during his life, even acting as the leader for some of those groups. Massive combat experience and knowledge, along with weapon proficiency and leadership experience. Massively above your normal guy.<br><br />Then there are his raw physical stats, skills and other powers.<br><br />He was able to use his superhuman sense of smell to find an enemy hidden in a sewer at the other side of a city, had even tracked guys across the African continent with his sense of smell, discovered than Iron Man and Mr Fantastic were replaced by imposters when Daredevil, another one with superhuman senses could not. Daredevil has even admitted Wolverine's sense of smell is better than him. If you ask what Daredevil can do, for a small one, he can name each ingredient in a perfume with his smell, and can even differentiate perfumes of the same type made by different companies by minute variations in their scent. Wolverine can find subconscious cues of his enemies from their scent. His sense of hearing is so good that, he could hear a sound from across a block and determine it was the sound of flesh hitting metal. He could hear a teardrop falling in another room through a thick wall. He could determine how many people are in a misssile proof bunker from their breathing through the thick wall, despite those people wearing sound proof masks and trying to make as much less noise as possible. He has heard a sonic boom from across the planet. He has dodged energy blasts and bullets without seeing them by feeling their pressure wave on his skin, intercepting an arrow before Spiderman could, move so fast that he seemed to dissappear, made Spider man doubt his speed and effortlessly slapped away point blank gunfire with his claws. He has dodged automatic gunfire from multiple shooters, and dodged machine gun fire in mid-air more than once. Kaine, Spider-Man's physically superior clone, which includes being physically faster, but lacking Spider - sense, and Daredevil, who is an incredible bullet dodger himself, were amazed at how easily Wolverine weaved through bullets without getting hit. He has tagged speedsters like Speed Demon and Northstar. His reaction time has been measured to be 0.038s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-79974520440421535932015-06-06T08:01:44.431-04:002015-06-06T08:01:44.431-04:00Sorry for being pretty blunt, and I absolutely do ...Sorry for being pretty blunt, and I absolutely do not mean to offend you, but your post is quite ignorant and nonsensical. I hate to be rude, but your post is a logical fallacy. Let me break it down and explain it to you<br><br />"""""Gotta give the edge to Captain America.. His mind is his super weapon. And If he truly is the perfect human specimen then I can't see how Wolverine could be remotely close in terms of fighting ability, reflexes, speed, stamina, technique, flexibility and other combat traits regardless of how he has been depicted."""""<br><br />That's just pure bullshit reasoning. Whether in the real or comic world, we judge people's capabilities by what they have shown to do, not wildly vague speculation and hyperbole. And if you are relying on fancy titles or names, Wolverine has been called beyond human and superhuman.<br><br />And especially, human perfection referred to Cap's physical state, skills have nothing to do with it. Going with your logic, since there are several MA fighters in the comic world who are beyond Cap in skill, that makes them beyond human perfection, but the truth is almost none of them won't hold a candle to Cap in raw physical stats. See, your logic is a complete fail. Sorry, but that's the truth.<br><br />And about the mind, Wolverine's pretty smart too. Let's see what Forge said about Wolverine. He reported Logan's physical and mental state as equivalent to an Olympic-level gymnast performing a Gold-medal-winning routine whilst simultaneously beating four chess computers in his head.<br><br />Need I say anythong more? I say this. Despite his thuggish attitude, when he wants to, Wolverine can be very tactical and smart.<br><br />"""""And of course Cap has devoted far more time to strategy and tactical thinking.""""<br><br />Yes, but that doesn't mean Wolverine is an idiot or will be unable to make a counter strategy.<br><br />"""""Wolverine is a normal dude with great skills, but it's his mutant healing and skeleton/claws that make him tough. His physical attributes are excellent, but hardly "human perfection" like Cap"""""<br><br />Actually, Wolverine's body is beyond human perfection. And normal dude, seriously? You are simply going off the movies and e ven then Jackman's Wolverine was nothing normal. But that's not who we are discussing about here. Its comic Wolverine. Who is nothing like a normal guy. Someone who is so far off from a normal guy in every aspects. Lets go over the rudimentary and small potatoes.<br><br />Wolverine has been around for more than a century and half, so he has accumulated quite a lot of knowledge and experience far beyond an ordinary guy can.<br><br />For starters, Logan knows several international languages other than English. Spanish, German, Russian, Japanese, Mandarin, French, Cantonese, Portugese, Vietnamese, etc. Not something your average joe is capable of.<br><br />He's participated in World War 1 & 2, Civil War and pretty much every war between those and has been in several espionage, special ops and superhuman teams during his life, even acting as the leader for some of those groups. Massive combat experience and knowledge, along with weapon profiency and leadership experience. Massively above your normal guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-51350608503487592422015-02-15T00:58:38.025-05:002015-02-15T00:58:38.025-05:00Gotta give the edge to Captain America.. His mind ...Gotta give the edge to Captain America.. His mind is his super weapon. And If he truly is the perfect human specimen then I can't see how Wolverine could be remotely close in terms of fighting ability, reflexes, speed, stamina, technique, flexibility and other combat traits regardless of how he has been depicted. And of course Cap has devoted far more time to strategy and tactical thinking. <br /><br />Wolverine is a normal dude with great skills, but it's his mutant healing and skeleton/claws that make him tough. His physical attributes are excellent, but hardly "human perfection" like Cap.<br /><br />Cap would have to go for a Coup de grâce as soon as possible in fight since a single blow from Wolverine could be fatal and the bastard wont die. I'd still pick Cap for 7 wins out of 10, mainly due to better tactics. <br /><br />DDAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306975279310919643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-24283430402370130682015-01-22T21:31:45.001-05:002015-01-22T21:31:45.001-05:00Sadly, this is a comic fight that is written in th...Sadly, this is a comic fight that is written in the contemporary "decompression" format. There is honestly no telling how long the fight lasted, but we do know they were both bleeding and huffing and puffing. Due to their stamina they had to be fighting for longer than the comic shows (in my opinion). I see blood, I see a very intense fight were both combatants gave it everything they got.John Ciminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10737574058335177140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-29159164947429359252014-12-06T06:04:36.495-05:002014-12-06T06:04:36.495-05:00John, when you said that during AvX, Cap and Wolve...John, when you said that during AvX, Cap and Wolverine had an intense fight which left them dripping with blood,I expected them to awash with blood or something. But this is what I saw, IIRC. Cap admonishes Logan for trying to kill Hope, and tells him that he won't let Logan kill that girl. Logan responds that he does what have to be done or otherCap socks Wolverine with a left hook, sending him crashing into the wall. Logan trash talks Cap, asking if Cap really thinks he can take him. Cap says he has no doubt and lunges forward with the shield. Logan weaves underneath the shield, saying Cap has no clue, gives Cap a minor slash on his abdomen, cuts out the shield's straps before high kicking Cap on his torso, sending him flying backwards. Cap leans the wall with the cuts on his abdomen bleeding slightly. Logan lunges forward, and Cap ducks under the stab, goes for his shield, and throws the shield smack dab onto Logan's oblongata, at which a slightly bloodied Logan asks Cap (whose costume is staned a bit from him cuts along with a bit of nosebleed from god knows what, since Logan never hit him in the face) if that's all he's got, at which 10 feet Giant Man suckershots him from behind, at which Cap tells him he has the Avengers as well, at which this exchange occurs:<br />Giant Man: Sorry Logan<br />Wolverine: .....Sonnova...(Cap gets a clean shield bash onto Logan's face)<br />Cap: Now SHARON! (the flight hatch blows away)<br />Logan(covering his face): ....What?... <br />Hank then kicks him out of the jet and he lands in Antartica.<br />So where's the dripping with blood or was that an exaggeration?Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-42846818331627900692014-12-05T04:38:40.661-05:002014-12-05T04:38:40.661-05:00Part 10:
*Out of the universe / Real life reasons:...Part 10:<br />*Out of the universe / Real life reasons:<br />I've always seen it as Cap more popular among writers- he was created first, make him look good otherwise he seems useless, dunno if it makes them feel patriotic or they proud writing that as the peak of humanity, etc.<br /><br />Someone on another site compared this fight to the street level version of Hulk vs Thor, and how they go back and forth. I like that comparison. The only thing different about Hulk vs Thor rivalry is, one can take whatever the other can throw at him and dish out equally in return. The same cannot be said for Cap vs Wolvie.<br /><br /><br />They beleive Wolverine should not be able to do this, so every time he doe anything they don't like that is PIS. But its not the same for Cap.<br />Cap fanboy bullshit: "Do you really beleive Wolverine can lift that much?"<br />Some are unbearable and happen becuase of popularity power, like Logan taking down herald level beings, but for him its more beleivable than Cap due to Logan's claws, while Cap does it purely with a better plot armor and PIS power. At times what some say against Wolverine simply seem to be because they beleive Wolverine is limited so and so and he can and never should be above that. And some Cap fans cannot bear to see Wolverine lift more thatn their favorite hero so they lowball him at every chance they get.<br />Cap fanboy bullshit: "Do you really beleive Wolverine can lift that much?" is what you get most of the time. Some idiots actually beleive Wolverine is only as strong as an ordinary human. Even taking that bullshit into consideration, since ordinary humans have oneshotted Cap at times, I say Logan still has a chance.<br /><br />And about the enemy of the state KO, that was because Wolverine had been quite battered up by the time Cap arrived and had been fighting several heroes for quite some time? Not to mention in a similar manner, Wolverine had one-hit-KOd Spidey with a cheapshot, but nobody mentions it. To make things even worse, they bring up CW Cap vs Spidey.<br /><b>TL:DR, Wolverine takes majority</b><br />So, Hastlavista baby. Old yes, but old is gold.<br />More comments afterwards<br /><br />(Damn, wish I had my computer more often)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-77863329576605109632014-12-05T04:36:55.079-05:002014-12-05T04:36:55.079-05:00Part 9:
*Overall matchup and overview:
Aah, finall...Part 9:<br />*Overall matchup and overview:<br />Aah, finally. As John said, both can win this fight, but currently Logan's chances have increased.<br />Logan has got power, skill and experience upgrades from where he was at the time of WW2.<br />As mentioned before, when Apocalypse gave Logan the adamantium back, he not only reduced how much the metal hampered Logan's movement, breduced by a large extent the metal poisonaing which slowed down Logan's healing factor, which is why he didn't immediately die after his loss of his healing factor.(It would have taken just longer than before for him to die. Metal poisoning was still there, but a lot lesser than before. So Beast synthesized a drug to counter it)<br />At his best, Wolverine's claws have carved up the likes of Namor, Hulk and Thor, taken down Thing, Abomination and even Hercules, and as Fifthchild from Comicvine said, "gone through Thanos (with Power Gem) and Gladiator like a hot knife through butter".<br /><br />Logan has saved Cap's hide many times, at times even effortlessly taking down guys that give have given Cap trouble, dominate him or even outright owned him in a fight.<br />At his best, Wolverine's claws have carved up the likes of Namor, Hulk and Thor, taken down Thing, Abomination and even Hercules, and as Fifthchild said, "gone through Thanos (with Power Gem) and Gladiator like a hot knife through butter". Does Cap fanboys really believe that Cap even at his absolute best are as durable or heal as fast the above mentioned guys? Not to mention quite some of those guys are experienced and skilled fighters themselves and outclass Steve in one or more areas like strength, speed, durability, healing, viciousness, powers and versatality, etc.<br />Its pathetic that many of the guys supporting either side are unbelievably ignorant of both sides.<br />The movies take a large part of the blame here. Especially movie Wolverine who was a horrible excuse for a fighter.<br /><br />If anyone says current Wolverine doesn't have healing factor, he still has his other powers and adamantium skeleton, which means he still has a degree of super strength and durability (demonstrated by beating up Nuke) and deadly adamantium claws, while Cap is now an ordinary old man, albeit an old man with high MA skills.<br /><br />Wolverine can perform kamizkaze attacks if he needs to bring down cap, like grabbing the shield and then stabbing a nearby transformer to give Cap a lethal shock, but unlike the other villains, Wolvie would not do so to Cap because he certainly doesn't want to hurt Cap badly and he certainly won't be that desperate to beat Cap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-88110175869550140152014-12-05T04:35:39.110-05:002014-12-05T04:35:39.110-05:00Part 8:
*Help from others: A factor which can comp...Part 8:<br />*Help from others: A factor which can completely change the face of battles. As seen AvX, Cap was getting owned, then the tide of the battle changed as the Avengers came in. Cap gets the edge in this area since Wolverine is a loner and quite disliked among many teammates, who would rather sit and watch while Logan get pounded on if he is in no serious danger. He is also widely known as a brutal killer which reduces the chance of people coming to help him. Cap on the other hand is a very popular and charismatic hero, a role model known by many generations, who has been the leader of much more teams for much longer. Not to mention the fact that Cap has a much friendly looking appearance in and out of uniform than Wolverine whose claws, rage and freaky hairstyle and costume who put off and frighten people, due to which people readily assume Logan to be the bad guy. So Cap will get more help from others.<br /><br />**Unusual attacks/Improvised weaponry/Unpredictability: Wolverine gets the edge in this department. Logan is much more adept at using things around him as a weapon, made easier due to his super strength, can whip up some of the craziest manuevers, and can perform kamikaze attacks if needed to due to his healing factor. While Cap can do the same, he falls a little short behind Logan<br />in this department.<br /><br />In the end, in every battle all the above factors boils down into these two categories, how much you can take it and then how much you can dish out in response, namely:<br /><br />*Damage Soak: While Cap has a respectable damage soak, Wolverine massively outclasses Cap in damage soak due to his superior durability (due to his adamantium skeleton), endurance, healing and recuperative power, despite Cap's shield or armor.<br /><br />*Damage Output: Due to his superior strength, speed, stamina, varied attack type and large number of very long and very sharp claws, Logan again vastly outclasses Steve in this area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-90831677501267224802014-12-05T04:34:17.611-05:002014-12-05T04:34:17.611-05:00Part 7:
**Environmental advantage: How an environm...Part 7:<br />**Environmental advantage: How an environment will suit the combatants (And no this isn't a geography class nor do I teach it)<br />***City: In a city, Steve has a small edge. Keeping his distance, due to his mastery and range of shield throw, he can exploit his environment much better against his opponents. Though, Logan is no slouch at doing the same, ahs has used his claws to great effect in turning the environment hostile for his enemy. So Cap gets the very small edge in a city<br />***Forest: Logan gets a massive edge in a forest. His inner animal helps him out a lot. His animalistic senses will help him find his way in a forest, find a good hiding place and sense the approach of his opponents, while Cap may have good tracking skills, Wolverine is an even better tracker and hunter, who can mask his tracks very well. Coupled with Logan's empathic ability with animals, the chance of Cap getting the drop on him is very less. Thus in the woods Logan has the edge, and its a biig one.<br />***Mountainous / Hilly: Cap gets a very small edge due to his agilty allowing him to scale and move across the terrain better. But its really close due to Logan's practically wall crawling ability with his his claws with which he stabs and climbs vertical surfaces which can be used to hide.<br />***Shipyard / Beach: Cap gets a bigger edge here, especially in the first scenario. Not only does he get here the same environmental advantage he gets in a city, but if the fight gets into the water، Logan is hindered a lot, something which Cap can use to his advantage. But that doesn't mean Logan is finished once he gets into water. Logan has shown many times that he is quite capable of fighting underwater, and has oneshotted people underwater. Not saying Steve is gonna get one-shotted, but that the edge he gets underwater is not enough to own or dominate Logan.<br />***Factories / Tech. Plants: Logan gets a very small edge here. The cramped spaces in the factories are easier for Logan to get through due to his claws than they are for Cap, so due to the mobility advantage he gets the edge.<br />***Desert: Logan gets the edge here due to his healing factor allowing him to weather the harsh conditions better. He can't indefinitely, but he can do it better than Cap.<br />***Snowy, artic areas: Logan gets the edge here for th ame reason as above. I know some idiots who have given the crap reasoning that since Cap survived in the ice he would get the edge in cold, not thinking he was in suspended animation, and without knowing that Logan has been frozen and remained conscious and survived for quite some time by cannibalizing his own flesh, and has slept nude in artic conditions, which would be fatal for humans.<br />***Grassy plains: Logan gets the edge here due to being able to hide and move around better due to his animal senses.<br />***Swampy areas / Riversides: Roughly equal since the area hinders them almost equally, Logan being slowed down very slightly more than Cap, but its bears no consequence to this fight.<br />***Smelting areas / Electrical plants: Equal<br />***Volcanic ares: Wolverine gets a small advantage due tot he disadvantage Cap is the oxious fumes. Otherwise one throwing the other into the lava is quite equally likely, but while Wolverine can survive that and possibly come back into the battle, Cap can't<br />***Cage match: Cap is dead<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-34967623250889969882014-12-05T04:30:09.624-05:002014-12-05T04:30:09.624-05:00Part 6:
*Attack type: Contrary to what one expect ...Part 6:<br />*Attack type: Contrary to what one expect both have similar attack types. Cap is capable of delivering slashing (yes and he has even decapitated a guy when bloodlusted) and blunt attacks with shield, along with his punches and kicks, and obviously Wolverine can deliver slashing, piercing and blunt damage with his claws, plus his adamantium laced punches and kicks. What gives Logan the solid edge in this area over Steve is that he can do more damage. While Cap has to put quite some effort to cut up things, Wolverine's deadly razor-sharp adamantium claws can cut through almost anything effortlessly. And due the protection of his adamantium skeleton and healing factor, Cap can only deal as much damage at a time, while Logan's only hindrance is Cap's shield. Wolverine bypassing it will be the end of Cap, and he will.<br /><br />Recuperative capability/ rate: While Cap has a decent recuperative ability due to the SSS enhancements, Wolverine gets the obvious extreme edge due to his healing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-77630701954351829292014-12-05T04:28:10.552-05:002014-12-05T04:28:10.552-05:00Part 5:
**Range of attack: Cap obviously gets the ...Part 5:<br />**Range of attack: Cap obviously gets the edge here due to his shield. He has brought down orbital ICBMs with it, can perfectly ricochet it off anything and has incredible precision and aim with it, but it inherently also carries a disadvantage. Unlike guns or other ranged weapons, Cap can throw his shield only once, which leaves him vulnerable if the shild is caught and separated from him, but as seen during the Civil War, Cap's control over the shield greatly dilutes this disadvantage, though unfortunately does not nullify it completely. If the shield is taken by an enemy, Cap will have to fight in close range, which against Wolverine bad idea as he can take Cap's hits and tear him up with his claws. Due to Logan's agility and senses, he can dodge shield throws all day long. So while Cap has the ranged advantage, the advantage is really small.<br /><br />**Attack rate: As everyone knows, in a fight, victory depends not only the power of the attacks, but where they hit, how much attacks are landed, and how fast the attacks hit. While no doubt Cap's enchanced speed and stamina along with his shield gives him a high attack rate, Logan's superior speed comabt speed on a similar level to Spider Man (not saying Captain America isn't) and his claws (and their larger number make it easier) gives Logan a solid edge in this area.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-51812720891433708542014-12-05T04:27:09.328-05:002014-12-05T04:27:09.328-05:00Part 4:
*Other advantages / disadvantages: Despite...Part 4:<br />*Other advantages / disadvantages: Despite everything, fights are not just clear cut. A lot if circumstances can be involved, and terrain, environment, the fighters' physical and mental condition, who gets the first blow in, who draws the first blood, if anybody gets external assistance or hinderance from individuals or other factors, how they consider each other and how much they are motivated to win. So lets check out the other advantages / disadvantages the fighters have shall we:<br />**Super Senses: Both possess senses above that of a normal human, but as pretty much every one in and out of Marvel universe knows, Wolverine has extremely advanced animal senses. He has known his opponents emotions and subliminal cues through their scent and noticing an energy blast coming for him by the pressure wave hitting his skin. At his best, Logan would know Cap is attacking before he does. Also, this also nullifies most stealth attacks. Very slightly for Cap and amost completely for Wolverine. Wolverine senses will tell him what is coming way before it hits him. On the other hand, Wolverine's senses can also be a disadvantage since there can be items that cause sensory overload, like sonics, etc., which will only have a much lesser effect on Cap. But Wolverine's pain tolerance, durabilty, healing and sheer willpower allows him to focus through it. So Logan has the edge here.<br /><br />Exotic attacks: And by exotic attacks I mean what separates a fight between two martial artists and two street brawlers. I mean punching techniques, special kicks and other striking techniques, choke holds and other wrestling holds, throws, take-downs, momentum-shifting, and the even more exotic joint-locks, pressure point strikes, nerve clusters strikes, chi attacks, etc.<br />And Logan is quite used to the former, and uses them just as much as Cap, and also mostly immune the latter, and is quite proficient in them as well. Once, in fight that was supposed to be pure H2H, his enemy poisoned Wolverine and in the H2H fight then used nerve strikes and pressure point attacks with lethal intent and Logan took a lot of hits before popping his claws to defend himself. So while Logan is protected due to his durability and healing factor, Cap is not. Sure, he may have the enhanced human durabilty and healing, his armor and his shield, and his knowledge of such attacks to protect himself, but while similar attacks won't work on Wolverine, they will work on Cap. Given than Logan has dropped class 100's with such attacks, its highly possible Cap will fall before them too. So Logan gets the edge here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-2546152439181875052014-12-05T04:24:41.862-05:002014-12-05T04:24:41.862-05:00Part 3:
*Willpower and Determination: Quite equal ...Part 3:<br />*Willpower and Determination: Quite equal in this regards. Steve is more known for it, but from what I've see, Logan's his equal.<br />**Pain Tolerance: Something which I view as a combination if willpower, endurance, durability and mindset, but mostly that of willpower. While both have great pain tolerance, I have to give Logan the edge here, 'cause he was pretty much born with it. Every time he pops his claws, it is a sign of his massive pain tolerance. Walking through a hailstorm of bullets needs quite the pain tolerance too. Even when he had practically no healing factor he was still popping bone claws on a regular basis despite the blleding and the long lasting pain. Even now when he has no healing factor he has no problem popping his claws every once in a while. Not to mention the adamantium poisoning and carrying around the heavy metal inside his body is quite painful. And all the things he goes through, yeah, Logan has the edge in pain tolerance.<br /><br />*Paraphernalia/Tech/Weapons: As every body knows, Logan almost always uses no other weapons than his claws and Cap almost always uses no other weapon than his shield. Captain America's shield is an excellent weapon which provides an excellent defence and a good offence. But Wolverine's claws should not be underestimated here. Not only they are an incredible offence, Wolverine has shown himself to be very adept in using them as a good defence, like slapping bullets out of the air using his claws and blocking other attacks with them, as he doesn't have to worry about them being damaged due to their indestructible nature. As Cap (most of the times) has only punches, kicks and attacks with his shield, Wolverine can block most of his attacks comfortably if he chooses to. Not to mention Cap's armor and shield can be separated from Cap, while Logan's claws can't be, giving Wolverine the edge here. And when it comes to using other weapons, the chances they would use any other weapon is equally slim,and if it comes to that, I'd say Wolverine has the edge there. Not only can Wolverine deal with the effects of other weapons better, I'd say Wolverine is better at using other weapons. In guns, Cap is slightly better but will be able to do next to nothing to Wolverine, who is not so behind in the department and is quite good at firearms himself, but if it comes to swords, the Marvel Universe will be expressing their condolences for Cap for being dead or dismembered, for Wolverine is one of the best swordsmen on the planet and Cap has shown nothing much in that category. Steve is dead if Wolverine gets his hands on a sword.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9005099578513777759.post-14256163168360889952014-12-05T04:23:43.913-05:002014-12-05T04:23:43.913-05:00Part 2 (I hate I have to adopt same style as one o...Part 2 (I hate I have to adopt same style as one of the biggest butthurt hulk hater poster on this site):<br />*Experience: Here Logan gets the edge. When Cap was hibernating as a icicle, Logan had been fighting and training that he now surpasses Cap in this area, though by a small margin. The people going on about Cap was a superhero while Wolverine was a foot soldier forget that how much cannon fodder the foot soldiers are likely to become. Also, Logan had secretly served as both supervilllain and hero during these times, and was in mutiple secret superhuman and non-superhuman teams, many sent on top secret missions, so that argument is silly. <br /><br />*Durability: Logan gets a massive edge here. Due to his superhumanly durable skeleton and the adamantium on it, and the enhanced durabilty of other parts of the body plus the healing factor, Logan's durability is way above Cap.<br /><br />*Endurance / Stamina: Another area where Logan gets a big edge, though not as big as the durability. Logan's healing factor allows him to push himself more than Cap by a mile. Though the SSS allows Cap to push himself a lot more than many, he can hang with Wolvie for a lot more than many of his class. Heck, in his higher end feats Logan has kept on fighting even when his internal organs were in pieces.<br /><br />*Tactical Power: An area where Cap gets a big edge. As another website said, Cap would have already begun to make his plan just as the first blow is struck. The only reason why he doesn't get here a massive edge is because, Wolverine is a highly capable strategist himself who has shown more than once that he is quite capable of leadership and strategizing.<br /><br />*Mindset: Curiously, both have an advantage here. As someone here commented, Wolverine has to hold back against Cap (and others as well) so that the effect won't be lethal, while Cap can go all out knowing that Wolverine can heal. On the other hand, Logan would be more willing to use quite brutal and dangerous methods if necessary.<br /><br />*Intelligence: Neither of them are super genuises working in a lab, but in battle smarts and the battle of smarts, Cap again takes the edge here. The Super Soldier Serum has not only made Cap an enhanced human in physical stats, but also enchanced his mental prowess and intelligence. Steve posseses eidetic memory and is capable of handling multiple streams of information and form a near flawless strategy. But he again fails to get a big edge here as, to quote Marvel wiki, "While seemingly brutish, Wolverine is quite intelligent". The many years of life has developed Logan's intelligence, battle instincts and battle smarts.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com